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P and P were motorcycles produced from 1922 to 1930 by Gilmour Packman and Erling Poppe.
1922 The Silent Three model appeared, fitted with the sleeve-valve
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engine and enclosure panels. The frames sloped in a straight line fromthe headstock to the rear wheel, which had an unusual spindle.
1923 By the middle of the year they were using 293cc sv and 244cc ohv JAP
engines and the machines had sporting lines. There was also the Special
Eight, with a 976cc sv V-twin JAP
engine. All were fitted into the Silent Three frame. They also started
to used tank-top instrument panels and combined prop-cum-centre stands.
1923 A report on the 1924 Motor Cycle Show reads, in part,
"The most interesting of the many models on this stand is the 8-45 h.p. overhead valve model, the specification of which includes 28 in. by 3 in. cord tyres, B.T.H. magneto, mudguards without valances, long exhaust pipes, special petrol tank, special bars, with twist grip, steering damper, and B. and D. stabilisers. The carburetter is a B. and B. sports, with two float chambers. The saddle fitted is a Terry.
The 8-30 is very similar in outline specification, but is more of a touring model. Its equipment includes electric lighting. A special eight and sidecar is being made for the coming season, with interchangeable wheels and balloon tyres. Another interesting exhibit is the two-port overhead-valve model, stripped for sports use. There is a dashboard to the tank, and a mechanical oil pump is fitted. Packman & Poppe, Ltd., Moor Street, Earlsdon, Coventry.
1925 In June, Packman died in tragic circumstances; stopping off at the office on his way
to the TT, Packman was killed in an argument with a salesman. There then followed a break
1926 Production resumed with with Rexine covered tanks and engine variationsfrom MAG and Blackburne,
although the big twin had gone.
1927 The twin was revived and joined by another of 677cc with a JAPengine. The range switched to saddle tanks.
1929 They introduced an option of plunger rear-suspension to all four modelsand this also became available for other machines. Four road models were
available with JAPand Blackburne engines.
The two Blackburnes were
also used for Dirt Track models.
1930 Only four models were in production. These were the 500 Silent; the 90 with ohv; the 80 with ohv JAP; and the 60 with a two-stroke engine. It was the final year.